detector.fm Podcast
Why do we still need animal testing? - Interview with Michael Gotthardt
https://detektor.fm/wissen/forschungsquartett-tierversuche

In a detector.fm podcast, Michael Gotthardt, Head of the Translational Cardiology and Functional Genomics lab, explains why he must use animals in his research. “We can’t observe the development of an illness in cells because it isn’t a cell that is sick, but the whole person,” he says.
https://detektor.fm/wissen/forschungsquartett-tierversuche